Back in the summer of 2015, the whole DudeYouCrazy braintrust reached a consensus. With the loss of Mike Bobo and the laughable hire of Brian Schottenheimer, any objective observer knew the offense would lose its spacing in the run game and its aggressiveness through the air.
We wanted Brice Ramsey, QB1, Georgia Bulldogs. We never got our wish. Instead, things went from bad to worse in a hurry, as our Schottenheimer nightmares were further buoyed by the wholly unexciting transfer of Greyson Lambert. I wrote the following:
While I could’ve lived with Golson at the helm, the news that Lambert is now considering heading to Athens with two years’ eligibility remaining horrifies me. It tells me that a) maybe Ramsey isn’t as ready as I thought; and b) to the extent that we’d take a flier on a guy who was somewhere below mediocre at Virginia.
Below mediocre, you ask? Lambert’s 2014 numbers: 154/261 (59%), 10 TD, 11 INT, raw QBR of 45.1 (QBR is ESPN’s method of evaluating quarterbacks on a 1-100 scale versus replacement and adjusted for situation- if you see me talking QB’s I’ll probably reference it). Against ACC competition? That QBR dips to 39.5, with a paltry 6.5 yards per attempt. In fact, Lambert’s only non-pedestrian performances came against BYU (71.1 QBR) and Richmond (92.2, YAAAAYYYYY).
Even Jason Smith, who wrote about football quarterly in a good year, chimed in:
So while most predict that Brice Ramsey will still be the starter come opening day, the speculation will only ramp up as to how solid that prediction actually is. Moreover, if Ramsey is named the starter there will inevitably be a huge swath of fans wondering why on earth you decide to pursue Lambert in the first place.
Take all of that into consideration and this new transfer has already put the 2015 season into a chaotic register, but I don’t think its as bad as some folks will make it out to be.
The consensus we reached was this: Greyson Lambert seeing the field for the University of Georgia was bad. We hoped Brice Ramsey could save Schottenheimer from himself, but apparently the prospect of seeing him on the field was worse than the mediocrity to which we were subjected by Lambert.
To his credit, Ramsey was a good sport about it. He tantalized us with his arm talent (and frustrated us with his bad reads) in spot duty in 2014 and 2015. He took over as the punter, of all things, for parts of the ’15 and ’16 seasons. And he was last seen in Rodrigo Blankenship’s claim that “even the backup punter has a scholarship”, when the backup punter happened to be one Brice Ramsey.
Given the events of the past two years, one ponders an alternate universe where Ramsey lives up to his billing as the nation’s 6th-ranked pro-style QB. Does his ability to actually throw a 15-yard out make the 2015 Bulldogs more explosive? Does he save Mark Richt’s job? I have to imagine that he’d have tried to be a little more efficient given a longer leash, but that’s based on nothing but my vindicated fears of a Greyson Lambert-led offense.
We never got the chance to find out. It probably would’ve been more fun if we did.
Unfortunately, we’ll never know. Ramsey may go down in the ethos of Georgia football as the recruiting bust who cost Mark Richt his job, or the quarterback-turned-punter who found a way onto the field in order to try to help his team win.
But here’s to you, Brice Ramsey, I hope the grad transfer choose-your-own-adventure leads you to a Jeff Driskel/Louisiana Tech redemption tour (or hell, aim higher if you want), where you’re put in a position to throw for 4,500 yards.
Since his transfer was announced in June, I have been in the silent, but grumbling majority that questioned whether or not Greyson Lambert was equipped to handle the quarterback position on a team that should compete for a national championship. Recall, I watched more Lambert than I care to admit in his time at UVA.
While grading on a curve for an uber-conservative offense against opponents where the job description is simply, “don’t shit the bed”, I am even further from being convinced, two weeks in, that Lambert should be the guy.
And I’m not the only one that sees it. From Bill Connolly at SBNation:
That Virginia transfer Greyson Lambert won the starting quarterback job didn’t fill me with confidence since he was a bit error-prone in Charlottesville. He was fine against ULM, but this was his first real test. He went 11-for-21 for 116 yards and a sack. Average yards per attempt: a meager 5.0.
Granted, Nick Chubb and Sony Michel combined to rush 31 times for 245 yards and catch four passes for 43 yards. When you’ve got that running game in your back pocket, you don’t need much from the passing game. But you probably need better than 5 yards per attempt. This wasn’t a failed test, but it wasn’t really a pass, either.
And Spencer Hall, on when it’s appropriate to panic:
Alabama still hasn’t totally decided on a quarterback. Neither has UGA, and what it’s showed doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in the Bulldogs being anything but a thump-and-punt team. (Which might be good enough to win the SEC East, if that means anything.)
It is wonderful to have Chubb and Michel, the latter of whom I hold would be considered a top-1o running back in the country if he played literally ANYWHERE ELSE (conservative O + Nick Chubb = inadequate touches to earn that distinction, but I digress). But if you’re going to be one-dimensional on offense, that dimension being between the tackles with the front sevens of Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, and Florida on the schedule will become an issue at some point.
Taking Lambert’s season as a whole thus far, 19/33 for 257 yards and 2 TD looks like one pretty decent game. At 7.8 yards per attempt, he’s running with what any objective observer would call a ‘competent’ efficiency. As a matter of fact, it’s the exact same YPA Aaron Murray had in his 10-2 sophomore campaign. But with teams loading the box and DARING the Dawgs to throw the ball, 57.7% completions (on, from what I can come up with, two passes 15+ yards down field thus far) is pedestrian, at best.
One of those two passes 15+ yards downfield was the sure interception dropped by the Vanderbilt safety on Saturday, because…you know, Vanderbilt. (For levity’s sake, the other was the check to Malcolm Mitchell in the opener, one which induced a Daniel Palmer orgasm on last Tuesday’s podcast. It was a brilliant play, but a throw any competent QB should be able to make against single coverage.)
So, Mr. Offensive Guru, what are you suggesting as a solution?
Glad you asked.
We have two more (knock on wood) easily winnable games before Alabama comes to town on October 3rd. Give my man Brice Ramsey a chance, in extended work, to see what he can do. The beef with him coming out of camp was that he made some risky throws. Well?
- So does Lambert, as evidenced by a duck right into a Cover 2 safety’s lap.
- He has the arm strength to, you know, take the top off of defenses.
I’m not saying start him in Athens on Saturday night and create a full-blown “when you have two quarterbacks, you have none” situation, I’m saying let the man give it a go while there’s still time to save a season that will otherwise be derailed by a one-dimensional offense.
The eye test is a powerful thing. Is Ramsey prone to mistakes? Probably. Has he made some great plays in his limited action? Absolutely. The touch on the 3rd & 9 screen in the 2nd quarter of the opener, in the face of heavy pressure, was the best throw of the season. He has the strength to thread the needle outside the hashes between corner and safety, as he did on one throw on Saturday. And he has shown the moxie to be able to recover from mistakes and go into ‘next play’ mode.
In an apocalypse scenario, the floor is higher for Lambert. I can see that. But the ceiling? It is much, much higher for Ramsey. Georgia the pieces in place to have an unforgettable season– stellar defense with at least four All-SEC first teamers, a Heisman contender at RB behind a veteran OL, hell, even great special teams (on paper). I would hate to see that potential go out the window like so many previous seasons turned to farts in the wind because of one major shortcoming.
Scared money don’t make money, as a wise man once said.
Scared money sticks with Greyson Lambert.
A few weeks ago I discussed the backup quarterbacks in Athens and mentioned that occasional DudeYouCrazy Contributor Andy Crawford disagrees with me regarding Hutson Mason. Here is Andy’s response. Frankly: it’s good. As a challenge to the readers, if you ever send me any article that is this good I will post it and give you the credit. Seriously. Good stuff. Jump in:
A couple weeks back Andrew went DudeCrazy (Dude’s note: there’s a distinct difference between “DudeYouCrazy” and “DudeCrazy”. I trust that you can deduce the discrepancy.) for Hutson Mason, while invoking my name as one of the (I suspect) thousands of UGA fans who don’t feel warm and fuzzy at the idea of Hutson Mason taking the reins if Aaron Murray should choose to forgo his senior season. Andrew made it clear he thinks Hutson Mason is a quarterback who will follow in the tradition of Greene, Shockley, Stafford, and Murray, (Dude’s note: These are some my exact words – Does it mean that Hutson Mason is going to be great? Certainly not. But I think it goes a long way in proving that Hutson Mason is – at the very minimum – capable of playing quarterback for the Georgia Bulldogs, even in a starting capacity. Andy just makes things up like a lawyer!) and he summed up my opinion as: “To hear Andy speak…Hutson Mason played eight-on-eight flag football with such poor proficiency that no school other than the University of Georgia expressed any interest.”
To be clear, I like Hutson Mason. I think he is an adequate backup. He did, however, rub me the wrong way when he considered transferring to get more playing time Dude’s note: I feel that). What did he think was going to happen if he came to UGA? Did he think he was going to beat out Aaron Murray and start for one of the top programs in the country? If he wanted playing time he should have jumped on one of the plethora of directional schools that offered him a scholarship in high school.
Andrew seems to think Mason deserves more regard though. He thinks if Mason was named the starting quarterback UGA would instantly catapult to number 1 in the AP (Dude’s note: I wish!), Jarvis would stay for his senior year (Dude’s note: I wish!), and Georgia would finally claim a BCS trophy to put in Butts-Mehre next to Hershcel, Sinkwich and Mason’s Heisman trophies (Dude’s note: I wish!).
Andrew’s argument for Mason as some kind of second coming of Johnny Moxon (Dude’s note: I just watched that movie!) can be broken into three parts: 1) He was a stellar high school quarterback; 2) Mason has played well as a backup; 3) he is at least as good as Joe Cox. Let me dismantle these one at a time.
But first, let me outline how I group Georgia starting quarterbacks in the Mark Richt era. They divide into three tiers: Tier 1- Greene, Shockley, Stafford, Murray- These are the special quarterbacks. They are usually highly touted out of high school, and have apparent talent. With the exception of Shockley, they take over as the starter early in their career. They have a high ceiling, and can be counted among the elite in the nation. Tier 2- Joe Cox- Good, but not great. The most Georgia could hope for with this quarterback is a 9 win season; ten if the defense and running game compensate for average QB play (which Cox definitely did not have). He knows the offense inside and out, which somewhat compensates for a lack of talent. Tier 3- Tereshinski- While he knows the offense, he has a low ceiling for which his acumen cannot compensate. He is probably better suited to start for a Sun Belt team. He will be supplanted as soon as a younger quarterback is healthy and knows enough of the offense.
Mason in High School
Hutson Mason is lucky to have a shot at starting for UGA Let’s go back to December 2009. Joe Cox is leading UGA to a ho-hum 8-5 season. Washaun Ealey and Caleb King have just coined the phrase, “We Run This State.” And UGA was preparing for an Independence Bowl against Texas A&M, which would help A.J. Green make an easy $1,000 in a few months (Dude’s note: STILL too soon – one of my first ever articles addressed this issue).
Georgia was closing up one of its smaller, and at the time, less impressive recruiting classes. Staring down the New Year the Dawgs had scholarships to burn. The previous year’s recruiting class brought in Aaron Murray and Zach Mettenberger, two Elite 11 QBs, who had entrenched themselves as the number 1 and number 2 QBs for years to come. After Cox graduated the only other QB on the roster would be Logan Gray, who wanted to move to wide receiver.
Hutson Mason was offered a scholarship by UGA in December 2009 after a loss in the Georgia HS playoffs (where he threw 0 tds, and 5 ints). As Andrew points out, he put up impressive numbers that season (4560 yds, 54 tds, 10 ints), however, it is important to keep these statistics in perspective. Mason was a system QB. He wasn’t always standing in the pocket, reading defenses, and firing downfield. The offense was largely built on short, quick passes. He played in a spread offense, throwing
the ball 434(!!!) times his senior season. That is more than UGA has thrown the ball in any season, well, ever. So those numbers are skewed. His success in that offense means about as much as Graham Harrell’s success at Texas Tech meant to his NFL career (nothing). All those numbers show is that he can throw all the bubble screens you could ever want. This doesn’t make him a bad prospect, but it doesn’t automatically make him a good one either. (Dude’s note: Keep in mind, Andy is saying that because Mason threw the ball a lot in a “system” his high school performance should be discredited.)
By December 9th, when Chip Towers reported that Georgia offered Mason, the Lassiter QB had received scholarship offers from Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Virginia, and Mississippi State. Florida State (a school who hasn’t exactly been known for their quarterbacks in recent years) offered right after UGA. Mason made the easy choice and almost immediately committed to UGA, the first elite program to make an offer.
Georgia decided to offer an average in-state recruit to add some depth for the coming years. He was never meant to be the next Tier 1 guy. He was meant to be, at most, a one year Cox/Tereshinski type stop gap between the Murray/Mettenberger era and the “the next guy” era.
While Mettenberger’s libido took him out of the picture (Dude’s note: I’m so glad there weren’t pictures of his libido taking him out of the picture. Am I right?), Mason has continued to fill the backup/possible stop gap role for Murray ever since. The only way Mason would ever start would be if Murray got injured or left before the next Tier 1 QB was ready.
We have no idea how good (or bad) Hutson Mason is
Andrew points out that Hutson has put together solid, albeit limited, numbers at UGA. His career numbers are as follows: 27-47, 356yds, 3tds, 0 ints. Andrew adds the following: “But, ‘that passing has been intermittent,’ you say. Yes, but does that necessarily discredit his performance? Probably not.”
Yes. Yes it does. Mason has never played any meaningful football at the college level. He’s played proficiently during mop up duty (Idaho State, Vanderbilt, Coastal Carolina, etc). His career stats read like the stat line for a single pass happy game against a cupcake opponent.
Andrew mentions that Mason’s career QB rating (142.13) would be 40th in the country this year. What he forgets to mention is that QB rating is only an accurate statistic if the quarterback has an adequate sample of passes to evaluate. In order to even qualify to be listed for a QB rating on ESPN’s stats, the player must average 14 pass attempts per game. Obviously, Mason falls far short of that threshold, and his QB rating is rendered meaningless. It is just as likely to be statistical noise as it is an accurate representation of what he could do on the field against quality opponents on a consistent basis.
All we know about Mason is what we knew when he was a freshman fielding offers from mid-major schools. As Scout.com noted in 2009, he’s a smart and accurate passer who is hampered with weak arm strength and field vision. (That sounds eerily like Joe Cox, does it not? More on that in a bit.) I think I speak for most Dawg fans when I say I’m not looking forward to another noodle-armed quarterback leading us to an 8 win season- and this time AJ Green isn’t there to make him look good.
Mike Bobo and Mark Richt develop college quarterbacks better than anyone in college football. They can coach any hardworking quarterback into a proficient field general. But all the coaching in the world can’t give Mason a stronger arm or any of the golden boy talent that was so apparent in Stafford and Murray as soon as they arrived on campus.
Andrew’s right about one thing- Hutson Mason is probably as good as Joe Cox (Dude’s note: I am right about everything, but not all at once.)We don’t have much by which to compare them yet, but my gut tells me Cox and Mason are pretty similar. Both went to stellar high school programs (Independence and Lassiter, respectively), both have been career backups behind stellar starting quarterbacks, and both have similar size and speed. Cox had better college offers, but they were from mediocre schools such as Maryland, Duke, and UNC. It’s also interesting to point out that they both wear #14, and each threw their first touchdown on a post route in the east endzone (Mason to Gray against ULL, and Cox to Milner against Colorado) (Dude’s note: Andy Crawgord is dropping knowledge right now!).
And let’s assume that Andrew is right, and that Mason’s QB rating is an accurate representation of what he can do. Mason would be 40th in QB rating this year, close to Cox, who finished 42nd in QB rating in 2009.
Just to be clear, I liked Joe Cox. He played his heart out for the Dawgs, and, as most people forget, won a quarterback duel against Ryan Mallet (with some help from A.J., of course). He was an adequate stop gap quarterback.
I also like Hutson Mason. As I mentioned above, he struck me as delusional and entitled when he considered transferring to get more playing time. I guess I can’t blame the guy too much for wanting to play though, and he has been a dependable backup. And make no mistake about it, he is the ONLY backup QB I would feel comfortable taking meaningful snaps if Aaron “Murr-Man” Murray were to get injured. But I don’t think I’m alone when I say that I would rather not have to deal with a one year steward (Dude’s note: I agree!), simply managing the offense until a high caliber quarterback is ready. I would like to seamlessly go from one Tier 1 quarterback to another.
My hope is that Murray stays for his senior year to shatter some records and make another SEC Championship run, allowing Brice Ramsey a year to learn the system and take over as a redshirt freshman. That would allow a seamless transition from Murray to Ramsey, who by most accounts, is the real deal (Dude’s note: Keep in mind Ramsey hardly ever threw in high school! Mason was discredited for throwing too much (434 passes as a senior), but the guy with 289 career pass attempts gets a pass?)
Once again, go back to 2009. Wasn’t it kind of a lost year? (Dude’s note: I wrote about this way back in October of 2010, but I think 2009 would have been a disappointment even if Stafford was still around. Tennessee, Florida and Kentucky scored 45, 41 and 34 points respectively against the Dawgs that year.) Didn’t it feel like UGA was in a holding pattern waiting on “the next guy”? I don’t want another lost year, if it can be helped. And with Mason, I think that’s exactly what we would get.
– Andy Crawford, J.D.
Again, thanks Andy!
That’s all I got/